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Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame?

Don’t panic Ubuntu fans but your favorite desktop Linux distribution has fallen to fourth place in DistroWatch’s latest ranking.

Ubuntu has been overtaken by Fedora, Mint, and openSUSE. Mint now holds the number one spot in all of DistroWatch’s rankings going back at least a year, which leads us to wonder why.

One reason behind this reversal of fortune for Ubuntu could be the change of default interface in version 11.04 or “Natty Narwhal”, released in April 2011. With the new Ubuntu came Unity, an interface previously seen in Ubuntu Netbook Edition, and Gnome was relegated to an option.

There has been quite a bit of controversy surrounding Unity. Now it seems like Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, may be paying the price for the change. Let’s look at the numbers.

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Mint’s rise to the top

We charted the top distributions since 2005, as ranked by DistroWatch. In doing so, we excluded a couple of distributions that only made a brief appearance in the top five: Mandriva dropped off after 2006, PCLinuxOS only made an appearance in 2007 and 2008, and Sabayon only showed up during 2007.

Here’s what it looks like from 2005 until now for the current top five Linux distributions:

Based on the DistroWatch numbers, Ubuntu’s market share has been declining for years, and has seen a remarkable drop in 2011. Linux Mint, on the other hand, has seen a huge leap in market share this year and has become the most popular desktop distribution. Is this a side effect of the controversy around Unity?

To give you an idea of how drastic the recent changes are, let’s compare the most recent statistics (for the last 30 days) with the average number for 2010:

  • Ubuntu is down 47.2%.
  • Mint is up 105%.

Note that even though the relative share of Ubuntu has dropped during this period, the total number of hits on the distribution pages at DistroWatch has almost doubled.

Adding that to the mix makes Mint’s popularity even more spectacular.

Comparing the top five: Mint is growing fast

If we focus on the last 12 months, we can see how this compares between the top five distributions: Debian, Fedora, Mint, openSUSE, and Ubuntu. First we see how they compare to the total of all desktop Linux distributions as reported by DistroWatch:

Besides the remarkable growth of Mint, which is again obvious, it’s also interesting to note that the top five distribution’s share of the total has increased quite significantly over the year.

Here are a few highlights:

  • Mint’s share of the average hits per day for the specified periods has almost doubled, with an increase from 5.6% to 10.12%.
  • Ubuntu has fallen from 5.4% to 3.82%.
  • Debian’s popularity has shrunk a bit from 3.42% to 2.95%.
  • Fedora has gained from 3.97% to 4.88%.
  • openSUSE has also gained some, moving from 3.35% to 4.83%.
  • We should also point out that the total has increased during the 12-month period with about 21%, possibly indicating a rising popularity of Linux as a whole.

What we’re comparing here is really the average hits for each distribution over the four periods. As you can see from the first chart, the difference is even more noticeable over a longer period of time.

Then we dig into the relationship between the top five distributions:

In this chart, a bar represents each distribution’s share out of the total for the top five distributions for the period. It gives you a good overview of how things have shifted in the top five over the last 12 months. Here the change for Mint and Ubuntu is even more clear:

  • Mint has gone from 26% of the top five to 38%.
  • Ubuntu has lost quite a bit, from 25% down to 14%.

Again it’s clear that Ubuntu is the big loser.

What does Google say?

We have used Google before to review at the state of Linux. So again we turn to Google Trends to chart Linux and to supplement DistroWatch. Since this is based on search statistics, it’s more to gage the “interest in” the various distributions, or mindshare, if you like.

The downward trend for Ubuntu is clear to see also with Google’s tool but the rise of Mint is also visible. Mint is overtaking openSUSE by mid-2008, and Debian and Fedora about 18 months later. Towards the end of the chart, in 2011, there’s a definite spike in search volume for Mint, according to Google Trends.

Time for Ubuntu to take notice

It’s obviously way too early to say whether Ubuntu, in actual use, is declining or not. However, if this is any indication of which way the wind is blowing, it’s time for Ubuntu to take notice.

What we also can’t say for sure based on this research is why this change in popularity is happening. It’s possible that it’s due to how the DistroWatch numbers are put together, and it’s possible that Unity is having some effect.

It does seem certain that the timing of Unity’s introduction coincides with the decline in Ubuntu’s popularity. And according to DistroWatch, the widening of the gap between Mint and Ubuntu is accelerating.

Finally, we have to congratulate the Linux Mint team. They are clearly doing something right with so many Linux users choosing their specific distribution.

Update (2011-11-25)

Some of you asked about what the situation for Ubuntu would look like if we included the other Ubuntu distributions in the statistics, like KUbuntu. We went back to the numbers and here’s the chart with all Ubuntu distributions added into the Ubuntu category:

The popularity of Ubuntu increased until about 2007 but then it’s been in decline relative to desktop Linux in entirety. Since 2010, the decline for Ubuntu and the rise for Mint is not much less dramatic.



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Onemanvolt
Onemanvolt

Ubuntu is the worst operating system I have ever encountered. Didn't even have to install it to find out. The demo was quite enough. After finding no way to close open windows on the desktop, much less any way of navigating while the windows we present, I decided I had enough of that idiotic designed crap. Who in their right mind though this interface was a good idea? Some 8 year old?

brainscauseminds
brainscauseminds

Actually Unity is why I dumped Ubuntu about a year ago and switched to KDE/Mint. I hated that they started to remove useful features: tree view in Nautilus, cannot press DEL to delete a file etc. I understand that a feature-free blank screen is prettier to look at than a screen with bunch of buttons and options, but it does not help me use the computer.

iamoogabooga
iamoogabooga

Just how it goes. As soon as a good idea becomes mainstream, people become greedy. This is usually where I get out. The first cue for me was the Amazon crap. The so-called "kill-switch" is not enough. People make mistakes I just hope they realise it before they go the same way as Google etc etc.. I decided to give them a chance but well on my way to ditch them.

iamoogabooga
iamoogabooga

Just how it goes. As soon as a good idea becomes mainstream, people become greedy. This is usually where I get out. The first cue for me was the Amazon crap. The so-called "kill-switch" is not enough. People make mistakes I just hope they realise it before they go the same way as Google etc etc.. I decided to give them a chance but well on my way to ditch them.

jasondhoward
jasondhoward

Yea I stopped using ubuntu altogether now, I would like to go back though, I just can't stand unity... and Mint doesn't feel the same  I wish they would not mess with things that were okay.

jasondhoward
jasondhoward

Yea I stopped using ubuntu altogether now, I would like to go back though, I just can't stand unity... and Mint doesn't feel the same  I wish they would not mess with things that were okay.  

ktavabi
ktavabi

I am just going to comment based on the title of this article. An emphatic YES. Unity is the stupidest thing to happen to a PC since Windows ME.

ktavabi
ktavabi

I am just going to comment based on the title of this article. An emphatic YES. Unity is the stupidest thing to happen to a PC since Windows ME.

HumpityDumpity
HumpityDumpity

Definitely Unity's fault. i can understand the need for Unity to be uniform across all devices but on a desktop it's so crap. Yes, Canonical shot themsleves in the foot.

HumpityDumpity
HumpityDumpity

Definitely Unity's fault. i can understand the need for Unity to be uniform across all devices but on a desktop it's so crap. Yes, Canonical shot themsleves in the foot.

maxmate
maxmate

En,Linux server is my favoriate host.

maxmate
maxmate

En,Linux server is my favoriate host.

eram0861
eram0861

Unity sucks, plain and simple.

eram0861
eram0861

Unity sucks, plain and simple.

KelvinLau
KelvinLau

mint is basically ubuntu with a different skin

KelvinLau
KelvinLau

mint is basically ubuntu with a different skin

Raven2099
Raven2099

it'll take some getting used to.. wish i could resize it and move it.. maybe soon

Raven2099
Raven2099

it'll take some getting used to.. wish i could resize it and move it.. maybe soon

BryanBasil
BryanBasil

I think Unity was the best thing to happen to Ubuntu, and I've been using it for 7 years.  If you want gnome so badly, just install it.  Remember, you're still free.

BryanBasil
BryanBasil

I think Unity was the best thing to happen to Ubuntu, and I've been using it for 7 years.  If you want gnome so badly, just install it.  Remember, you're still free.

danijel973
danijel973

 @BryanBasil Have you actually tried that? I mean, installling gnome2? The very point of this discussion is YOU CAN NO LONGER DO THAT, which means, no, you're not free, it was taken away.

3r0s
3r0s

 @BryanBasil It seems to me that Mac fathered Windows Vista/7, Unity, Gnome3 taskbar as we see nowadays.

3r0s
3r0s

 @BryanBasil Unity way to open only one instance of an app locked to the launcher is the best way to keep any computer user to open too many times the same app.

Example: in the office where i do IT support, i saw that 90% of users are not waiting for their Windows box to complete the settings at logon, they start to click here and there to open their mail, file manager, etc., ending with more than one instance open for the same app.

Then if they modify a file they opened 3/4 times at the same time, they start to get sync issues when saving that file because the system detects different running version of that file.

Even worse with programs like Outlook.

Unity does not allow this, unless you right-click on the launcher and select "open new window".

This is keeping the desktop tidy and functional.

I now see the usefulness of Unity on the desktop, not only on a mobile/touchscreen device.

3r0s
3r0s

 @BryanBasil I use Ubuntu 12.04 at works and Xubuntu 12.04 at home.

I have to admit that i started to understand this Unity, which is much faster than Gnome3.

I haven't tried 12.10, i normally stick to LTS versions for stability and no surprises, and since I started (in 2009) to use Ubuntu, i always have been satisfied with this OS.

Now i am 50% for Unity and 50% for Xfce, otherwise i use Unity with the xfce-panel installed for quicker window switching.

danijel973
danijel973

@BryanBasil Have you actually tried that? I mean, installling gnome2? The very point of this discussion is YOU CAN NO LONGER DO THAT, which means, no, you're not free, it was taken away.

3r0s
3r0s

@BryanBasil It seems to me that Mac fathered Windows Vista/7, Unity, Gnome3 taskbar as we see nowadays.

3r0s
3r0s

@BryanBasil Unity way to open only one instance of an app locked to the launcher is the best way to keep any computer user to open too many times the same app. Example: in the office where i do IT support, i saw that 90% of users are not waiting for their Windows box to complete the settings at logon, they start to click here and there to open their mail, file manager, etc., ending with more than one instance open for the same app. Then if they modify a file they opened 3/4 times at the same time, they start to get sync issues when saving that file because the system detects different running version of that file. Even worse with programs like Outlook. Unity does not allow this, unless you right-click on the launcher and select "open new window". This is keeping the desktop tidy and functional. I now see the usefulness of Unity on the desktop, not only on a mobile/touchscreen device.

3r0s
3r0s

@BryanBasil I use Ubuntu 12.04 at works and Xubuntu 12.04 at home. I have to admit that i started to understand this Unity, which is much faster than Gnome3. I haven't tried 12.10, i normally stick to LTS versions for stability and no surprises, and since I started (in 2009) to use Ubuntu, i always have been satisfied with this OS. Now i am 50% for Unity and 50% for Xfce, otherwise i use Unity with the xfce-panel installed for quicker window switching.

3r0s
3r0s

 @danijel973

Installing Gnome 2 where?

On newer Debian or Ubuntu?

Also Debian ditched Gnome 2, which is dead.

And Xfce performs better than Gnome 2.

I use Ubuntu since 2009 and i always used the Gnome version.

I used Lucid 10.04 (Gnome 2) until a month ago, but I had to upgrade to 12.04 coz printers are not well supported in 10.04.

I replaced Unity with Gnome Shell, but Nautilus hangs every time it starts, also in Gnome fallback mode.

Unity is faster than Gnome 3/fallback.

I tried many other distros with Mate or Xfce or Gnome 2, but so far Ubuntu and Xubuntu are the ones that really delivers facts, not just words = fried air.

I have been TOTALLY against Unity since the beginning, but few days ago i saw how Unity can keep a desktop PC clean from apps clutter, and i understood Ubuntu point of view with Unity.

I saw Ubuntu running on Android and i use it as my media center at home, and the Unity is just perfect for those tasks.

But now i find how it is also good on the desktop.

FREEDOM for me means not to be locked to one software vendor (Microsoft) that delivers all the shyte it wants for big bucks, but being able to choose to run WHATEVER i want on my PC that SUITS me.

Now Ubuntu is the one that SUITS me.

I also use Xubuntu, and it is so far the best Xfce experience i had, after pure Debian.

When bringing up a complaint, one also has to provide some sort of solution, otherwise it is just nagging and whining.

So my solution was using Xfce, but now i mastered this Unity as well.

So, if you excuse me, what is your point?

3r0s
3r0s

@danijel973 Installing Gnome 2 where? On newer Debian or Ubuntu? Also Debian ditched Gnome 2, which is dead. And Xfce performs better than Gnome 2. I use Ubuntu since 2009 and i always used the Gnome version. I used Lucid 10.04 (Gnome 2) until a month ago, but I had to upgrade to 12.04 coz printers are not well supported in 10.04. I replaced Unity with Gnome Shell, but Nautilus hangs every time it starts, also in Gnome fallback mode. Unity is faster than Gnome 3/fallback. I tried many other distros with Mate or Xfce or Gnome 2, but so far Ubuntu and Xubuntu are the ones that really delivers facts, not just words = fried air. I have been TOTALLY against Unity since the beginning, but few days ago i saw how Unity can keep a desktop PC clean from apps clutter, and i understood Ubuntu point of view with Unity. I saw Ubuntu running on Android and i use it as my media center at home, and the Unity is just perfect for those tasks. But now i find how it is also good on the desktop. FREEDOM for me means not to be locked to one software vendor (Microsoft) that delivers all the shyte it wants for big bucks, but being able to choose to run WHATEVER i want on my PC that SUITS me. Now Ubuntu is the one that SUITS me. I also use Xubuntu, and it is so far the best Xfce experience i had, after pure Debian. When bringing up a complaint, one also has to provide some sort of solution, otherwise it is just nagging and whining. So my solution was using Xfce, but now i mastered this Unity as well. So, if you excuse me, what is your point?

danijel973
danijel973

 @3r0s In fact, your "Linux is great for everybody" is delusional, and no, I'm not a "victim" of Linux, if anything Linux is a victim of its own developers' arrogance. I can afford simply buying something better. Linux cannot afford users buying something better, especially with 1% of desktop users and falling. Linux developers act as if they are doing users a favor, which is an extremely unhealty attitude, especially if you are a user. Right now, Linux is slower than Windows, less reliable than Windows, and basically has no advantages whatsoever; it became slow, fat, fragile and, with Unity, poorly designed. There is no reason why anyone who is not a sysadmin with very specific needs would use Linux on desktop at this point. This is unfortunate, because several years ago (with Ubuntu Jaunty) things were different. Linux was lighter, faster, more reliable and *better* than Windows, the only drawback was lack of software. Right now Linux desktop is a living corpse; *everything* is better than Linux at this point.

3r0s
3r0s

 @danijel973  Amen.

Go buy what u prefer.

Yr continuous "me me me victim" sound delusional.

danijel973
danijel973

 @3r0s I don't see MS or Apple "dictatorship" as any worse than Gnome development team or Canonical "dictatorship". In any case they can decide to just ruin my entire computer experience and leave me with serious problems. The main difference is, Linux developers find me worthless because "i got it for free anyway", while in case of MS and Apple I do vote with my wallet so I have a say. As for the price, if you compare equally specced environments the prices are very similar, and I don't usually aim at the low end. It's not really a garden of roses with Apple, either, but I can do all the stuff I did on my linux box and also run Adobe. As things stand now I'm closer to buying the 15" retinabook than I am to experimenting with fubared window managers on Linux again.

3r0s
3r0s

 @danijel973 I know the Microsoft and Apple dictatorship.

Windows PCs at least are affordable, but Apple are disgustingly expensive for the average guy pocket.

I would ask a loan only to buy a house, not an Apple computer.

That's why there are so many Linux distros with different UI to choose from.

Linux Mint has Mate (Gnome 2 fork) but i prefer Cinnamon (Gnome 3 re-designed).

I for now stick to Ubuntu distros because they are the ones to best support nearly any hardware out there without hunting for tweaks and drivers.

Pure Debian still needs to be beaten under submission. :-(

Google vs Canonical?

Read this:

http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/

 

3r0s
3r0s

 @JohannWagner  @danijel973 I also use Linux Mint but wirh Cinnamon, i prefer it to Mate.

It might not be complete yet, but it's very good already.

danijel973
danijel973

 @JohannWagner I don't think going to Mac is an overreaction. In fact, I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner because on Linux, I had to use inadequate substitutes for the software I needed, which runs natively on Mac. An example is Adobe Lightroom, for instance. I do miss some good things from Linux, such as Nautilus, but all in all Mac works just great for me.

JohannWagner
JohannWagner

 @danijel973  , I completely feel like you about Ubuntu and Unity. I lived in anguish for several months too after the option of Gnome 2 was taken away in Ubuntu. I used xfce during this time, which is better than either Unity or Gnome3 (even in its fallback mode), but does not approach Gnome 2 in functionality.

But going over to Mac might be a bit overreacted. Mac might be based on Linux as well, but when it comes to policy, Apple is every bit as bad as Microsoft (and much, much worse than Canonical). I would never buy anything Apple, ever.

 

But have you tried Linux Mint with Maté? I warmly recommend it. It's really a polished Ubuntu, and Maté being a fork of Gnome 2, it's every bit as functional as it. I can hardly tell the difference (you won't be able to run wallpaper changers for now though). I'm very grateful to the Maté team for continuing the tradition of Gnome 2, and for Linux Mint for incorporating it in their distro (but I think you can install it in Ubuntu as well).

Now I can work again on my computer, without having to resort to desperate measures such as switching over to Mac!

danijel973
danijel973

 @3r0s 

>Any reason to be this petulant?

 

Why, of course there is. I'm never this ticked off without a good reason. You know how many Linux users bitterly resent Microsoft and would never use Windows because they think MS is taking their freedom away, treating them like a shapeless, choiceless herd and stuff? Well, that's how I think about Linux now. I had a working Linux environment for five years and they literally took my choosen environment away by destroying it so that I have only *their* favorite option to choose from, and I was left in a situation where I had to migrate several computers to something else because the thing I was running for years no longer worked. I actually prefer Windows to Linux now, that's how ticked off I am. I feel like Linux developers have absolutely no respect for users like me who didn't just play around with Linux, but used it as a default environment for both work and personal stuff. What Microsoft did to its users with Vista is *nothing* compared to what Canonical did with Unity. It's a completely fascist move. I hope Google makes a proper, ubuntu-like Linux distribution and completely destroys Canonical, because that would serve them right.

3r0s
3r0s

 @danijel973  Clap Clap Clap.

Any reason to be this petulant?

Mac is older than Linux, hence more mature.

Windows runs more apps than Mac and Linux together.

Yes, what apps, a lot of clones and useless stuff, just cluttering the disk.

Not so long ago, when Mac was emerging for a masses use, it was subjected to some sort of rejection, like Linux now, and there was nearly no app working on Mac.

It seems the history repeats itself.

With Mac you DON'T have the freedom to update software (like the Java incident) when in dire need of being patched, leaving a perfect system exposed to the perfect disruption.

You use Mac, He uses Linux Mint, She uses FreeDOS, They use Ubuntu, I use what suits me at the moment and makes me do my job in the shortest leaving me free from getting my eyes sore in front of the screen to go out and do something else.

danijel973
danijel973

@3r0s

>Mac is even closer than Windows !!!

 

Closer to what? If you meant "closed" you are wrong, because you can run much more stuff on a Mac than on Linux, and Windows can run more stuff than both, so it's more open. If you meant I couldn't tweak it as much, you are right, but then again I don't *need* to tweak it as much because it's already made properly. And yes, I have linux tools installed via macports, and it all works. Closed indeed...

 

>What sort of freedom do you have with Mac?

 

I can run all my apps in Unix environment which, unlike anything on Linux at this moment, runs without a glitch.

And yes, commercial software such as Lightroom runs on a Mac, so for me it is actually signifficantly better than Linux. For all intents and purposes it behaves like Linux that was adopted by someone with a brain and made to work properly. Which, basically, it was, just s/Linux/BSD/

3r0s
3r0s

 @danijel973  hahaha

Mac is even closer than Windows !!!

What sort of freedom do you have with Mac?

Apple always said that Mac doesn't get a virus.

hahaha.

UTOPIA.

After the Java and Flash logger.

Mac users should wake up.

I like many things of Mac, but the price is the real TURN OFF.

If you don't like Canonical (I'm not their employee, BTW) then there is Parsix which is independent pure Debian Gnome 3 made easy like Ubuntu.

Just have a look at http://www.distrowatch.com/ and pick up the distro that suits you.

NOBODY, not even the doctor, told you to use Ubuntu.

While on the other hand, Windows is the real pushed down every body throat without permission.

And Linux is getting prominent also thanking Canonical.

As i said, facts not sterile words (= fried air).

And for now Canonical delivers.

danijel973
danijel973

 @3r0s And yes, I should add that, after Canonical played that little trick of theirs on me, I decided to move away from linux, at least for serious work. I'm writing this on a Mac.

danijel973
danijel973

@3r0s

>Installing Gnome 2 where?

 

Nowhere, it is impossible because Gnome community killed it, coinciding very suspiciously with Unity.

 

>Also Debian ditched Gnome 2, which is dead.

 

My point exactly.

 

>And Xfce performs better than Gnome 2.

 

No it doesn't. It is close but contains too many bugs, and some solutions are inelegant. I prefered gnome2, but now I have no choice.

 

> So, if you excuse me, what is your point?

 

It should be obvious to everybody who actually read my message. There is very little actual freedom if options are forced down your throat, and the poster who said one can freely choose gnome2 is obviously wrong, since gnome2 was intentionally destroyed in order to force users down gnome3 and unity paths. Apparently some people thought that, if people had a choice, too few would choose what they were making.

craigwessel9
craigwessel9

@danijel973  @3r0s Ahem? MATE Anyone?

craigwessel9
craigwessel9

@danijel973  @3r0s Ahem... MATE Anyone?

danijel973
danijel973

@3r0s In fact, your "Linux is great for everybody" is delusional, and no, I'm not a "victim" of Linux, if anything Linux is a victim of its own developers' arrogance. I can afford simply buying something better. Linux cannot afford users buying something better, especially with 1% of desktop users and falling. Linux developers act as if they are doing users a favor, which is an extremely unhealty attitude, especially if you are a user. Right now, Linux is slower than Windows, less reliable than Windows, and basically has no advantages whatsoever; it became slow, fat, fragile and, with Unity, poorly designed. There is no reason why anyone who is not a sysadmin with very specific needs would use Linux on desktop at this point. This is unfortunate, because several years ago (with Ubuntu Jaunty) things were different. Linux was lighter, faster, more reliable and *better* than Windows, the only drawback was lack of software. Right now Linux desktop is a living corpse; *everything* is better than Linux at this point.

3r0s
3r0s

@danijel973  Amen. Go buy what u prefer. Yr continuous "me me me victim" sound delusional.

danijel973
danijel973

@3r0s I don't see MS or Apple "dictatorship" as any worse than Gnome development team or Canonical "dictatorship". In any case they can decide to just ruin my entire computer experience and leave me with serious problems. The main difference is, Linux developers find me worthless because "i got it for free anyway", while in case of MS and Apple I do vote with my wallet so I have a say. As for the price, if you compare equally specced environments the prices are very similar, and I don't usually aim at the low end. It's not really a garden of roses with Apple, either, but I can do all the stuff I did on my linux box and also run Adobe. As things stand now I'm closer to buying the 15" retinabook than I am to experimenting with fubared window managers on Linux again.

3r0s
3r0s

@danijel973 I know the Microsoft and Apple dictatorship. Windows PCs at least are affordable, but Apple are disgustingly expensive for the average guy pocket. I would ask a loan only to buy a house, not an Apple computer. That's why there are so many Linux distros with different UI to choose from. Linux Mint has Mate (Gnome 2 fork) but i prefer Cinnamon (Gnome 3 re-designed). I for now stick to Ubuntu distros because they are the ones to best support nearly any hardware out there without hunting for tweaks and drivers. Pure Debian still needs to be beaten under submission. :-( Google vs Canonical? Read this: http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/

3r0s
3r0s

@JohannWagner  @danijel973 I also use Linux Mint but wirh Cinnamon, i prefer it to Mate. It might not be complete yet, but it's very good already.

danijel973
danijel973

@JohannWagner I don't think going to Mac is an overreaction. In fact, I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner because on Linux, I had to use inadequate substitutes for the software I needed, which runs natively on Mac. An example is Adobe Lightroom, for instance. I do miss some good things from Linux, such as Nautilus, but all in all Mac works just great for me.

JohannWagner
JohannWagner

@danijel973  , I completely feel like you about Ubuntu and Unity. I lived in anguish for several months too after the option of Gnome 2 was taken away in Ubuntu. I used xfce during this time, which is better than either Unity or Gnome3 (even in its fallback mode), but does not approach Gnome 2 in functionality. But going over to Mac might be a bit overreacted. Mac might be based on Linux as well, but when it comes to policy, Apple is every bit as bad as Microsoft (and much, much worse than Canonical). I would never buy anything Apple, ever.   But have you tried Linux Mint with Maté? I warmly recommend it. It's really a polished Ubuntu, and Maté being a fork of Gnome 2, it's every bit as functional as it. I can hardly tell the difference (you won't be able to run wallpaper changers for now though). I'm very grateful to the Maté team for continuing the tradition of Gnome 2, and for Linux Mint for incorporating it in their distro (but I think you can install it in Ubuntu as well). Now I can work again on my computer, without having to resort to desperate measures such as switching over to Mac!

danijel973
danijel973

@3r0s  >Any reason to be this petulant?   Why, of course there is. I'm never this ticked off without a good reason. You know how many Linux users bitterly resent Microsoft and would never use Windows because they think MS is taking their freedom away, treating them like a shapeless, choiceless herd and stuff? Well, that's how I think about Linux now. I had a working Linux environment for five years and they literally took my choosen environment away by destroying it so that I have only *their* favorite option to choose from, and I was left in a situation where I had to migrate several computers to something else because the thing I was running for years no longer worked. I actually prefer Windows to Linux now, that's how ticked off I am. I feel like Linux developers have absolutely no respect for users like me who didn't just play around with Linux, but used it as a default environment for both work and personal stuff. What Microsoft did to its users with Vista is *nothing* compared to what Canonical did with Unity. It's a completely fascist move. I hope Google makes a proper, ubuntu-like Linux distribution and completely destroys Canonical, because that would serve them right.

3r0s
3r0s

@danijel973  Clap Clap Clap. Any reason to be this petulant? Mac is older than Linux, hence more mature. Windows runs more apps than Mac and Linux together. Yes, what apps, a lot of clones and useless stuff, just cluttering the disk. Not so long ago, when Mac was emerging for a masses use, it was subjected to some sort of rejection, like Linux now, and there was nearly no app working on Mac. It seems the history repeats itself. With Mac you DON'T have the freedom to update software (like the Java incident) when in dire need of being patched, leaving a perfect system exposed to the perfect disruption. You use Mac, He uses Linux Mint, She uses FreeDOS, They use Ubuntu, I use what suits me at the moment and makes me do my job in the shortest leaving me free from getting my eyes sore in front of the screen to go out and do something else.

danijel973
danijel973

@3r0s >Mac is even closer than Windows !!!   Closer to what? If you meant "closed" you are wrong, because you can run much more stuff on a Mac than on Linux, and Windows can run more stuff than both, so it's more open. If you meant I couldn't tweak it as much, you are right, but then again I don't *need* to tweak it as much because it's already made properly. And yes, I have linux tools installed via macports, and it all works. Closed indeed...   >What sort of freedom do you have with Mac?   I can run all my apps in Unix environment which, unlike anything on Linux at this moment, runs without a glitch. And yes, commercial software such as Lightroom runs on a Mac, so for me it is actually signifficantly better than Linux. For all intents and purposes it behaves like Linux that was adopted by someone with a brain and made to work properly. Which, basically, it was, just s/Linux/BSD/

3r0s
3r0s

@danijel973  hahaha Mac is even closer than Windows !!! What sort of freedom do you have with Mac? Apple always said that Mac doesn't get a virus. hahaha. UTOPIA. After the Java and Flash logger. Mac users should wake up. I like many things of Mac, but the price is the real TURN OFF. If you don't like Canonical (I'm not their employee, BTW) then there is Parsix which is independent pure Debian Gnome 3 made easy like Ubuntu. Just have a look at http://www.distrowatch.com/ and pick up the distro that suits you. NOBODY, not even the doctor, told you to use Ubuntu. While on the other hand, Windows is the real pushed down every body throat without permission. And Linux is getting prominent also thanking Canonical. As i said, facts not sterile words (= fried air). And for now Canonical delivers.

danijel973
danijel973

@3r0s And yes, I should add that, after Canonical played that little trick of theirs on me, I decided to move away from linux, at least for serious work. I'm writing this on a Mac.

danijel973
danijel973

@3r0s >Installing Gnome 2 where?   Nowhere, it is impossible because Gnome community killed it, coinciding very suspiciously with Unity.   >Also Debian ditched Gnome 2, which is dead.   My point exactly.   >And Xfce performs better than Gnome 2.   No it doesn't. It is close but contains too many bugs, and some solutions are inelegant. I prefered gnome2, but now I have no choice.   > So, if you excuse me, what is your point?   It should be obvious to everybody who actually read my message. There is very little actual freedom if options are forced down your throat, and the poster who said one can freely choose gnome2 is obviously wrong, since gnome2 was intentionally destroyed in order to force users down gnome3 and unity paths. Apparently some people thought that, if people had a choice, too few would choose what they were making.

BobCo70
BobCo70

@danijel973 i think your misunderstanding free as in beer where as it's free as in freedom.

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